Free Will and Christianity

Free Will and Christianity

Postby wall0645 on 19 Oct 2009 5:55 pm

Hi! Long time no see! I've been super busy running a secular student group at my school, and of course schoolwork. Hope y'all have been doing well.

Anyway, I was talking with my friend over lunch, and we were talking about Free Will. My friend is a genetics major, and she was saying how lots of our decisions are influenced heavily by our genes. For example, if your genes make you a more violent individual, you may choose violence over diplomacy. Another thing that influences our decisions is our environment. If your parents smoke, for example, you are more likely to smoke.

We had this thought: If science were to establish that humans don't actually have Free Will, what would the impact to Christianity be? Correct me if I'm wrong, but a large part of Christianity is having the Free Will to choose to be Christian or not.

When answering the question, please try not to dwell on whether or not there is Free Will. You can talk about that if you want, but please answer the question "IF there is no Free Will, how is Christianity affected?"

Thanks! :D
"Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned." -- unknown
User avatar
wall0645
Friendly Old-Timer
 
Posts: 373
Joined: 30 Apr 2009 6:24 pm
Gender: Male
I am a/an: Agnostic Atheist

Re: Free Will and Christianity

Postby hoverFrog on 19 Oct 2009 6:52 pm

You would still retain the illusion of free will though. Assuming science were able to prove that your actions are determined it would still seem like they were free. I imagine that would strengthen the faith of some and weaken the strength of others. I bet you could find biblical scripture to support a strengthened faith in these circumstances as well.
"I'm British; we don't do fatwahs, we do tutting."
User avatar
hoverFrog
Friendly Moderator
 
Posts: 2221
Joined: 05 Feb 2008 6:44 am
Location: Hampshire, England
Gender: Male
I am a/an: Agnostic Atheist

Re: Free Will and Christianity

Postby Jasen777 on 19 Oct 2009 7:52 pm

hoverFrog wrote: I bet you could find biblical scripture to support a strengthened faith in these circumstances as well.


Even more Calvinism *shudder*.
Fere libenter homines id quod volunt credunt.
Jasen777
Friendly Old-Timer
 
Posts: 575
Joined: 26 Aug 2008 10:51 pm
Location: Texas
Gender: Male
I am a/an: Agnostic Atheist

Re: Free Will and Christianity

Postby Chal on 19 Oct 2009 11:03 pm

Science says one thing while religion and feelings say another? However will the Christians choose? :roll:

Well, not all, but most. The average Christian still doesn't accept evolution, which says stuff about what happened to our ancestors on timescales we can't really understand, and it can be retconned into religion easily enough. If you try to convince these people that stuff that affects them at the most fundamental level is counter to everything they want and believe, the resistance would be absurd.
"People don't need to be born again, they need to grow up."
- Bishop Spong
User avatar
Chal
Friendly Old-Timer
 
Posts: 729
Joined: 14 Jan 2009 11:53 pm
Location: Canada
Gender: Male
I am a/an: Agnostic Atheist

Re: Free Will and Christianity

Postby Neon Genesis on 21 Oct 2009 1:26 pm

Chal wrote:Science says one thing while religion and feelings say another? However will the Christians choose? :roll:

I agree that most of them will just ignore the evidence, other Christians will convert to Calvnism and universalism might become easier for liberals to defend since one of the objections fundamentalists use against it is the free will defense.
Neon Genesis
Friendly Old-Timer
 
Posts: 396
Joined: 20 Nov 2008 5:40 pm
Gender: Male
I am a/an: Atheist

Re: Free Will and Christianity

Postby jasonorlandohawk on 21 Oct 2009 4:55 pm

I concur with the basic statements here: Calvinism will see a boost in adherents. Meanwhile, a few theists will probably make some kind annoying argument like, "Well, I guess I was forced into believing I have free will, and since I have no choice in determining my beliefs... I will continue to hold that opinion."

I don't think it would lead to a mass exodus from the faith, however. Given statements like "before I formed you in the womb, I knew you," the idea that our behavior is (if not pre-determined), at least predicted well in advance. As such, I think that there would be a change in general doctrine, but not in professed faith.
"Have faith that right makes might. And in this faith, let us each dare to do our duty, as best we understand it." - Abraham Lincoln
jasonorlandohawk
Friendly Old-Timer
 
Posts: 291
Joined: 19 Dec 2008 1:30 pm
Location: Kentucky
Gender: Male
I am a/an: Christian - Protestant


Return to Questions for Theists

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest

cron